What You Won't Find In A Christian Bookstore

While reading an article on another website recently, I started to think about how most church-going Christians tend to categorize and compare themselves against other folks. I feel pretty confident in talking about this subject because I was one of those church-going people for better than 30 years of my life. The article I was reading made a point about how the Lord views people as opposed to how religion often tends to categorize them. While I wouldn’t want to be guilty of plagiarizing the article I read (which was about the author’s perspective on the rapture – not the direction of my comments here), I do want to draw from some of the author’s example and utilize the following comparison for this discussion.

For the sake of example, let’s talk about a guy we’ll call Josh… Josh is a believer in Jesus; However, probably very few typical Christians would recognize him as such. For starters, Josh doesn’t go to church. Josh doesn’t have a pastor. Josh doesn’t tithe. In fact, Josh doesn’t give money to any church organization at all and, even worse, he often sleeps in on Sunday morning. Josh also doesn’t care too much about religious stuff, he doesn’t sport a fish emblem on the back of his car, he doesn’t wear Christian t-shirts, he doesn’t watch TBN, and doesn’t employ any of the typical religious lingo (what I call “Christianese”) that most other Christians do.

The impression that many church-going folks might probably gather from Josh is that Josh is not really a Christian… and I have to say that, if that frame of thinking is true of church folks who are sizing up Josh on these “qualifications”, then I’m quite sure I’m not a Christian either (at least in the eyes of a lot of these people)… In fact, I’m probably in even more spiritual trouble than our buddy Josh because I actually wear a t-shirt sometimes that says “No More Religion”, I have a website geared toward people who don’t “do church” anymore, and my wife wasn’t even a Believer when I married her (and I knew it)! By all traditional appearances, neither Josh nor myself are likely to win any “Christian-of-the-Year” awards and most church-goers, judging by typical religious standards, are going to shake their heads in disappointment at how far we have fallen.

But now I have to ask those who are concerned about Josh (or about myself… and many of those who fit in our boat of un-church-ish-ness), what does the Bible reveal as evidence of Christ at work in the life of true Believers? Jesus himself said that a good tree bears good fruit and that we would know those that belong to God by the fruits they bear… The question is, are we judging people according to the actual “fruit on their tree” – or according to some other religiously-invented criteria?

The article I referred to earlier presented an excellent list, so I am going to borrow that list for this discussion. The list is simply a mention of values and attributes which the Scripture indicates are attributes of the Believers who love God and love their neighbors.

  • Loving (John 13:35)
  • Compassionate (Mt 25:35-40; Lk 10:33)
  • Service-oriented (Mt 23:11)
  • Sacrificing (Mt 19:21; Jas 2:14)
  • Giving, Generous (Mt 5:42; Lk 3:11; Jas 2:15-16)
  • Merciful (Mt 5:7; 18:33)
  • Long-suffering (Mt 5:41)
  • Patient (Lk 8:15; Jas 1:3; 2Pe 1:6; Rev 2:2-3; 19)
  • Peacemaking (Mt 5:9)
  • Forgiving (Mt 18:21, 35; )
  • Fidelity in marriage (Mt 5:27-32)
  • Taking action on Jesus words (Mt 7:24-27)
  • Meek, Gentle (Mt 5:5, 22)
  • Humble (Mt 18:1-4; 23:12)
  • Trusting, Faithful (Mt 6:25-34; Lk 12:21-24)
  • Moral (Mt 15:19-20)
  • Honorable, Having integrity (Mt 5:33-37)
  • Prays (Mt 6:5)
  • Fasts (Mt 6:16-18; 9:15)
  • Value the Word of God (Lk 8:21; Mt 10:40-42)
  • Not Materialistic (Mt 6:19-21; Rev 3:17; Lk 12:15)
  • Not Judgmental (Mt 7:1-5)
  • Not Self-righteous nor Hypocritical (Mt 24:51; 6:2, 5, 16; 23:13-29)

    I wish I could tell you that this is the criteria most church people use when they critique folks like Josh or myself or many of you reading this. Sadly, hardly any of these seem to make their list much of the time. The simple fact is that “going to church, tithing, listening to Christian music, and participating in church programs” are nowhere mentioned in Scripture as being attributes of a Christ follower. So why do Christians continue to judge one another (and also reject others) based on things that neither Jesus nor any of His apostles directed folks to do?

    Interestingly enough, the Scripture does tell us (in the words of Jesus himself) what can actually keep you out of heaven… and, interestingly enough, Jesus also said that when the judgment comes, there are going to be a lot of people pointing to their religious credentials that are going to be rejected by the Father!

      Matthew 7:21-23 – Not everyone who calls me their Lord will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only the ones who obey my Father in heaven will get in. On the day of judgment many will call me their Lord. They will say, “We preached in your name, and in your name we forced out demons and worked many miracles.” But I will tell them, “I will have nothing to do with you! Get out of my sight, you evil people!”

    The actual Greek text of this passage indicates Jesus saying to these religious folks, “I never knew you.” The word “know” is an intimate term that speaks of love, friendship, and/or approval of conduct. In short, Jesus will one day tell these people that, despite all their good deeds and even if they preached in His name, drove out demons and worked miracles, if they were not walking in genuine, personal relationship with Him and listening to what He actually told them to do, He will not care about all their religious works (no matter how apparently positive they were). This is a VERY big deal to consider! Remember also the story Jesus told about the sinner and the religious leader (the Pharisee) who prayed:

      Luke 18:11-14 – The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer: “I thank You, God, that I am not a sinner like everyone else. For I don’t cheat, I don’t sin, and I don’t commit adultery. I’m certainly not like that tax collector! I fast twice a week, and I give You a tenth of my income.” But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow, saying, “O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.” I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

    I rather like how the Message version paraphrases the following passage:

      Matthew 7:24-27 – “These words I speak to you are not incidental additions to your life, homeowner improvements to your standard of living. They are foundational words, words to build a life on. If you work these words into your life, you are like a smart carpenter who built his house on solid rock. Rain poured down, the river flooded, a tornado hit–but nothing moved that house. It was fixed to the rock. But if you just use my words in Bible studies and don’t work them into your life, you are like a stupid carpenter who built his house on the sandy beach. When a storm rolled in and the waves came up, it collapsed like a house of cards.”

    We have churches full of things that have the air of godliness… Bible studies, ministry programs, sermons, religious expectations (and experiences), etc. But many times, unfortunately, people wrap themselves up in the externals but it was not Christ who led any of them. Many go through the motions and do things that they think will earn them “righteous points” with God (not to mention with other Christians – things that make them appear righteous in front of others), but they earn for them nothing because, as far as Christ is concerned, if they don’t flow from a heart that is in love with Him (and walking in humility with obedience to the things He asks of them), they are vain works. Furthermore, if the Lord himself did not instruct them to do these things (yet they continue in them because their religious thinking dictates they should) and so, in effect, they are actually operating without authorization. They are not obeying the Master and He is NOT impressed!

    Unfortunately, I believe that a lot of folks who think they are going to be accepted at the last day are actually going to be rejected and cast away! This is a frightful and sorrowful thought. They are actually going to have to hear the Savior say, “I don’t know you… You are not my friends… Nor have you ever done what I requested of you. Get out! You have no part with Me. You are a worker of evil!” Think about the magnitude of these words!

    I sorrow when I see all of these mega churches producing multitudes of religious-thinking-and-doing people who have no idea what it really means to be a friend of the Master. They are “converts” but not necessarily to Christ; rather to a religious substitute! They are “members” but not necessarily of the Family of God. They are being programmed to think that simply belonging to the organization and “being involved” earns them access and favor (not to mention qualifies them officially as being a “Christian”). How many of you remember the phrase “plugged in”?

    I was talking with a friend in church once about someone attending that it appeared had no genuine interest in Christianity other than to flirt with the gals in the church group and go to the activities. My church friend said to me, “Well at least they are plugged-in and going to church,” as though that was the requirement to make it into heaven. How sad to consider how many people actually believe they are ok with God just because they belong to some man-made organization. Indeed many have gained a false sense of eternal security merely by their association with a religious organization.

    I don’t know how many times I listened to conversations (or took part in them myself) in my church days where people talked about whether or not so-and-so was “plugged in” to a good church. Never mind whether or not they were in love with Jesus and seeking to walk with Him daily and follow His direction for their lives. Sadly, many are deceived by the “plugged-in-to-church equals I’m okay with God” lie and many will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven because of it!

    Many of these same people are always fixated on the issue of whether or not a person is in “fellowship” with other Believers. To them, if someone is not actively attending a church organization they are “not in fellowship”… and, to them, the only proper way to remedy this (so-called) lack of fellowship is to start attending a church; Preferably their church, but any Christian church will do, so long as they attend someplace. In reality, this matter of “fellowship” seems to have taken precedence over the Lordship of Jesus Christ. To so many of these folks, they could care less about what’s really going on in your relationship with Jesus so long as you are attending church. Please tell me, how is this mindset any different than saying Salvation is based upon whether or not a person attends church or not? And to boil this down even further, is this not essentially a different Gospel? I do not recall Jesus or any of His apostle teaching a doctrine of “church attendance” in order to be counted a genuine disciple of Christ.

    I cannot tell you how many emails I have received on this subject over the years; both from pastors and church folks. They are always quoting Hebrews 10:25 – “…not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.” Never-mind the fact that this passage says absolutely NOTHING about attending a church, nor does it describe fellowship as “church attendance”, nor did any such thing as a church building even exist at this time in history! They completely disregard the spirit and context of the letter here, which was to encourage Believers to pull together because the day when God would soon pour out His judgments on the Jewish nation was fast approaching. Persecution was already at the doors and many saints were afraid and some, it appears, had left the faith altogether (see the very next verse; Hebrews 10:26). The “sin” the author refers to was to renounce the profession of the Gospel they had once received. The author is pleading with them not to apostatize from their Christian faith as many had already done and were presently doing. This tells me that the “fellowship” in view here is more about “THE” Fellowship (as in, the whole body of Christ) than it is about just gathering together in little groups. “Forsake not the assembly” is very likely an admonition to stay in the Faith! Don’t quit now just because it’s getting very hard to be counted as a follower of Jesus.

    No one was “attending churches” at this time so this could hardly be thought of as the directive of the author of Hebrews (except by desperate proponents of organized religion, looking for something to beat over the head of people who do not adhere to their brand of legalism). As we have seen, the author of Hebrews is exhorting the Believers to stick together because dark days were ahead (and already present). There is no admonition to have weekly religious services to satisfy this encouragement. There is no talk of being sure to endure long, boring sermons by a professional clergy. There is no instruction to pay weekly tithes to make sure God grants provision and protection (or pay for the pastor’s sports car, house and boat). There is not a single directive to “plug-in” to lots of religious programs to ensure you are “doing the Lord’s work”. There is no warning that if you don’t attend church meetings, you will be in danger of losing heaven, be considered an outcast or rebel by your Christian family, or that God will not be able to speak to you, bless your Christian serving, hear your prayers, take care of your family, or any other such nonsense! All this says is, “Brother and Sisters, stick together because hard times are coming! And don’t renounce the Gospel of Jesus because you’re afraid of persecution, death or unpopularity.”

    This idea that “fellowship” is satisfied by merely attending a religious organization is completely ridiculous and also dangerous doctrine! It contradicts what Scripture teaches and that is that if we walk in the Light as Christ Himself is in the Light, we HAVE fellowship and His blood cleanses all of our sins! Fellowship is NOT had by attending a church meeting. It is had because we belong to Jesus! He has called us into fellowship with Him first and foremost and, therefore, we are IN the Fellowship if we remain in Him. This other brand of “fellowship” sold by the modern-day church organization is a distraction and a lie against Scripture. In conclusion, “forsaking the assembly” has nothing to do with attending church AT ALL!!!

    What’s just as bad is that many equate “inviting someone to church” with “evangelism”! I was talking to someone once and asked if they ever shared their faith with one of their neighbors that we had been talking about… The response was, “Oh yes, I’ve invited them to church several times, but they weren’t interested.” I said in response, “Well I’m not interested either, but that has nothing to do with my knowing the Lord or not… Have you ever talked with them about anything other than invitations to church?” The answer was, “Well, yes… but it would be so great if they could come to one of the special services. They don’t want to come to church because something happened in the past that turned them off from it.” I said, “Then why keep bugging them about coming to your church? Why not just let them see Christ through you and through your relationship with them? Leave church out of it.” They said, “But if they just would come to a service I know they would love it. Our church and our pastor is so wonderful and I think it would really show them how good church can be and not like whatever bad experience they had.” I replied, “Can’t you just share the Gospel with them personally? Why do they have to come to your church at all… especially if they are not interested in that?” This person said, “Well, I was really wanting them to come to church because then they could hear a good sermon and hopefully get saved.”


    Unfortunately, this is a very common mindset among so many church goers.

    But let’s go back to our buddy Josh now and re-consider our assessment of his perceived “Christianity” against the fruit that Scripture tells us to look for as opposed to the qualifications that religion typically expects… With that in mind, let me tell you the rest of the story about Josh…

    Even though Josh doesn’t attend church, he has a deep abiding love for the Lord and a desire to understand and walk in His ways. Josh’s one of the most humble guys I know. Josh and I often communicate on the phone or over the Internet to talk about the Lord and to encourage each other in the faith. Josh is also one of the most avid students of Scripture I’ve ever met. Josh may not tithe, but I’ve seen Josh give out of his abundance (and even his lack of abundance) many times to help others in need (including myself). Josh is a happily married man, faithful to his wife, has a great family and he raises his kids to know what it means to really have a relationship with Jesus. During a number of struggles in my life, Josh has been a most faithful friend and has prayed with me and cheered me up with his friendship and laughter. I have often been amazed at how Josh strives to live without compromise in his own life and seeks to follow the Lord’s teachings to the best of his ability, yet he is not judgmental at all, not self-righteous, and always makes you feel like you are the most important friend in his life. You never get the feeling that he thinks he better than you or that he thinks you’re less spiritual than he is, yet the testimony of his character and convictions are clearly evident and speak loudly. He’s a man of integrity, he’s not materialistic, he’s giving, generous, kind, forgiving, and the kind of guy that makes you want to be a Jesus follower because you see the genuine existence of joy and abundant life that is possible.

    Guess what? Josh is real guy! That’s not his real name, but he’s really my friend… and I’m proud to say that he’s not the only friend I have like this out here in the land of no-more-religion. When I put up the life of a guy like Josh next to those characteristics that Jesus and His apostles taught were to be regarded as evidence and “fruit” of those who truly follow Him, I know that Josh knows the Master. It’s obvious. He meets the criteria… Maybe not the criteria that a lot of church folks have been led to believe matter, but that is of no concern to me (ahem… or Josh).

    It’s so strange now, the way I find myself looking at other people around me (compared with how I used to look at a lot of people when I was church boy)… Whether they currently profess to be “Christians” or not, my desire is to see with different eyes and to speak only when the Lord gives me words to speak (since my own mouth too often gets me in trouble). It’s so easy to pre-judge people by appearances. I still struggle with this at times, but the Lord has often reminded me of my own shortcomings and the long journey I have traveled to even get to this realization. Just because I know better, doesn’t necessarily mean I always do better… but with God’s grace I am growing as His disciple and learning to love and obey His lead rather than my own.

    Jesus spent his days among folks that the religious crowd had a real problem with. Having drinks in the home of tax collectors and some of the most despised, rejected and even wicked sinners in society, Jesus seemed to actually enjoy their company… and He wasn’t there just because it was some clever religious tactic to get them to believe in Him or join his “spiritual club”. He actually liked them! He actually enjoyed spending time with them! And yes, He had compassion on them and desired for them to be welcomed into the Father’s embrace. Jesus dared to get close to the people no one else wanted anything to do with; the sick and diseased, the sinners, the societal rejects… or, you know… basically everyone you don’t usually see going to church.

    Now days I do not find it such a struggle to be around people that I once avoided simply because they weren’t Christians or even simply because they didn’t attend some church organization. I also don’t find my “Christianity” to be something I always feel pressure to push on other people. Gone is my “church-born evangelistic compulsion”. What a relief it is to be able to comfortably be among other people without always sizing them up in my head and trying to figure out how I might introduce them to religion, or look for a clever way to get away from them because of a fear they might infect me away from mine. To begin to see people through the eyes of Jesus is a wonderful thing. It doesn’t require compromise at all. It doesn’t require religious condescending behavior. It doesn’t require talking about Jesus every five seconds. But I have found that if a light truly burns within a person’s heart, it is difficult to hide the light. In other words, even if the light within us doesn’t seem all that glowing by a religious person’s legalistic standards (or perhaps even our own), when that little light is placed in darkness (among people who are in darkness) it cannot help but shine bright. So it is better to just BE who we are and remain transparent and honest. Of course God may work through us and God will work through us as we remain submitted to Him; walking in relationship. But we should not be anxious about this. We ought to trust and rest in the confidence that God is well able to bring whomever He wills into relationship with Him. After all, the Scripture itself says that it is the Father who draws people to Christ!

      John 6:44-45 – For no one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws them to Me, and at the last day I will raise them up. As it is written in the Scriptures, ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from Him comes to Me.

    Remember when Jesus asked His followers who they thought He was and Peter replied:

      Matthew 16:16-17 – Simon Peter spoke up, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus told him: “Simon, son of Jonah, you are blessed! You didn’t discover this on your own. It was shown to you by my Father in heaven.

    God will draw people. God will reveal His truth to people.

    Sometimes Christians act like God is dead or as though He doesn’t exist at all, because they seem to think He is powerless to do anything without all of their religionizing. It’s as though they believe the institutional church is the fourth member of the Godhead or something. They must be thinking:

      “How can people worship the Father, unless there is a formal worship service each week?”

      “How can people know how to live each day, unless a professional pastor gives them a well-prepared sermon every Sunday to tell them what to do?”

      “How can people serve God, unless there is a church program to participate in?”

      “How can people be faithful to God, unless they are faithful to attend church services every week?”

      “How can people come to know Christ, unless we setup evangelism programs to manipulate their thinking to see how good of an idea it is to become a Christian and start going to church?”

      “How will Believers be able to make personal decisions in their lives and for their families, unless they schedule a counselling session with the pastor?”

      “How can anyone be thought of as a faithful and godly steward of their finances, unless they tithe to an institutional church?”

      “How can anyone be recognized as being a Christian, unless they identify themselves by the name of the religious organization they attend?”


    On and on this logic goes… Do you see it? It does not require the voice of the Holy Spirit at all… and yet people are constantly told that they must attend church and participate in religion to be qualified as a legitimate Christian (of course, not always in those exact words). This is why I really believe the devil is in the details when it comes to the whole business of church. Man (or perhaps I should say “Satan”) has done quite a successful job convincing people to accept a definition of “Church” that neither Jesus nor any of His apostles ever once taught! The religious masses have largely accepted a counterfeit Christianity and actually rejected the Lord’s Body in the process.

    I always add this disclaimer when I talk about this subject, because inadvertently someone misunderstands me… and that disclaimer is that I am not suggesting that everyone who attends a “church” is apostate from the Faith. Nor am I suggesting that Christians gathering together in a building (i.e. a “church” building) is somehow automatically evil. Many of the activities that go on in “church” (despite people’s ignorance about some of the things I’m talking about) are not bad things and some may even be beneficial. Social clubs (which, in my opinion, is the category that many churches fall into) can have a recognizable societal benefit (and this is true whether they are Christian or not). That doesn’t mean there is always a spiritual benefit… especially if the Lord and the revelation of the Body of Christ is replaced by a social substitute that uses His name as a label. What I am referring to is the religious mindset that often accompanies these activities; that subtly drives it and maintains it and that Christians have yielded their hearts to and inevitably been deceived by. This mindset has effectively taken over in so many places and among so many people. The voice of the Spirit has been subtly replaced by the voice of religion and hardly anyone seems to realize it. Does it not make sense that the devil would use something that appears to be good, to twist it, and deceive people away from reliance on Christ? Deception is not deception unless it’s deception. How’s that for a profound statement? But, seriously, think about it!

    Listen friends, I have visited some of the most popular churches around. The kind that look really polished on the surface… The kind that thousands flock to and love. I’ve been involved with churches that many would regard as the best of the best (in terms of excellent programs, sound doctrine, good worship music, etc.) and still have seen the devil at the reigns and lives destroyed. I’ve seen religious leaders that are believed to be “godly” by most, who at the same time are oppressive to others, manipulative, liars, arrogant, and often spiritually and/or morally corrupt. I’ve seen church organizations that started out with good doctrine, devolve into heresy and spiritually abusive behavior; manifesting anything but the character of Jesus Christ.

    In conclusion, I’m simply saying that I care not about the labels those in religion choose to place on us. I worry more for their sakes that their diseased thinking is going to eventually lead them to hell (as those who will cry “Lord, Lord,” and may have to hear Him respond with, “Depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness… I never knew you.” We, in the Family of God, need to learn to start discerning the Body of Christ by the Spirit of God and fruit on the tree and not by petty religious criteria. If you’re a church-going person reading this, please know that I am not suggesting you are lost… but I am challenging you to regard and guard against the mindsets I have described in this post. Many of us on the “outside” of your institutional religious world view are not enemies of Christ, nor are we invalidated saints because we avoid traditional organized religion. We are not “out of fellowship” just because we may not “attend a fellowship”. You, dear church-going friend, need to understand what Fellowship is according to the doctrine of Jesus and stop judging others by way of their involvement or lack thereof in religious institutions and programs (or by judging on surface appearances that are evaluated by the legalistic ideals of religion, rather than the things God calls essential).

    The same passage you (my church-going friends) throw at those outside the four walls, I will strongly challenge you with; forsake not the assembling of yourselves together. That means with US! Flush the idea that tells you this “assembling” is your weekly church service and start thinking of the Body of Christ, the Church, as the Family of Christ of which any who call on His name are a part of. Together we are assembled in Him and this is what enables us to have fellowship with one another. Fellowship is not merely something you do or someplace you go. It is something we who know Him HAVE because we belong to Him. Stop rejecting the non-church man, because church (as man has defined it) does not even begin to describe the Church of the Living God! Stop placing religion in-between your relationships with other people. Instead, place Christ at the center and watch what happens! Stop looking at the surface and passing judgment based on the arrogance of piety and starting looking for the fruit of the Spirit and regarding your spiritual family as brothers and sisters in Christ, not fellow church members.

    Let us not give the devil a foothold among us any longer! This is an appeal to the Family of God!

    How do you categorize Christianity? The term “Christian” has become so mangled over the years that it hardly means the same thing anymore. For some it is a religious institution. For others it is a description of a “good person”. To others it is a label for all those who are members of a religious club. So what are we really if we are truly members of Christ’s family? Are we truly brothers and sisters, born into One Family of God, and is our endeavor truly to keep the Lord at the very center of our lives? Have we believed with all our hearts in the Gospel of Christ, embraced His Holy Spirit, and is it our heart’s intent to know the Lord closely and follow Him where He leads us and to love one another as He has loved us? If we can say yes to these things, doesn’t that mean that we are the Church? Doesn’t that mean that the Church (and consequently Christianity) then is something NOT AT ALL defined by religious meetings, buildings and programs but as God’s people who are united together in Christ? If this is what the true Church really is, why are some of us still playing around with the impostor? Just some things to think about. Love to hear your thoughts. Am I stating things too strongly? Maybe not strongly enough? Have I missed something? Tell me! Am I preaching to the choir? My desire isn’t to just rant on about my weariness with organized religion, but I really want the confusion to end among God’s people. I want my family in Christ to start behaving rightly together. The world is on religious overdose and, really, “church” overdose in my opinion… and I do not believe it is the “church” that Christ had in mind when He said, “Upon this Rock I will build My Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.”

    All of us who profess to be friends of God, whether we attend some kind of “church” building or gathering or none at all, can surely benefit from some self examination here. Sometimes those of us on the outside of organized religion can act arrogantly or condescendingly to those still on the inside, who may genuinely follow Christ but have different convictions about aspects of this issue? Is it possible we can look at them through the eyes of Christ rather than through our frustrations with religion? And, of course, I offer this challenge to my church-going friends. I hope this might help you understand the many of us who want nothing to do with organized religion but who are very much a part of the Family of God and desire to be treated as such by all members of His Family. I hope you will understand why so many of us believe the typical “institutional” mindset about “church” tends to present a major obstacle to real relationship with God and, in all honesty, is completely non-essential and irrelevant and we want you stop holding it in-between our relationships with you.

    How does this hit you where you live? Please feel free to share your thoughts. 🙂 God bless you guys!!!

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    3 Responses to Christ Followers or Church Goers… How Do You Categorize Christianity?

    • I thought this was a fantastic article. It really sums up what I have tried to explain to some church-goers in the past who think my reason for not going to church is based on issues I have with authority, instead of wanting my life to encompass Christ in his entirety so it is totally given over to him and not to a church system.


    • Well I’ve just left the church that I’ve been with for nearly 4 years. When a ‘program’ was introduced and it became controlled I lost faith. I first quit the leadership (before I was pushed) and then the church. The plan was to make church more exciting, more focused and more authentic. The people are more excited and focused but less and less authentic (which has to be the bottom line). Its all about being a great church rather than cultivating a great church by everyone being more Christlike. Unfortunately the message is to love the CHURCH like Jesus loves the church – which is never expressed in the New Testament. What also sticks in my throat is the pastor cult. Nowhere are we told that the pastor is the CEO, running the show. The mantra goes, “We are all created priests but pastors are more priestly than others.” The church runs like a business: you come in and work your way from steward to deacon to house group leader to elder but if you don’t toe the line you remain a grunt but you are still expected to be a loyal grunt. My advice would to never be involved with a ‘great’ church. It will mould you into a disciple , indoctrinate you and bind you.

      Having said that I think you’re stretching Hebrews 10.25 too far. Any man made institution will tend towards corruption and by its very nature ‘established’ religion must be a candidate for error and excess. We know that at its inception the church met in the Temple and afterwards congregated in halls and in people’s homes (hence the house church). We know that city churches were governed by elders and overseen by apostles and their delegates. But its only in the writings of the church fathers that we hear of bishops and the church becoming established. We’ve moved on from the monolithic Catholic church and imperialistic Christendom but the western church has almost become cultish, worshiping itself and, again, demanding to be an intermediary between Christ and his mission. The Reformed church is self deluded, not realising it is catholic in nature if not in name.

      Paul tells us that the relationship between Christ and his church is a mystery (its his body and his bride) and between established and not established I think there must be a third way. Just as we are in this world but not of it I wonder if we should be of his church but not in it. In other words, we do not forsake the meeting together but neither do we make anything of it. Like the grass that is here today and gone tomorrow, the church does not have to manifest itself in the same way, week after week.


    • I can’t really find much of anything I disagree with Chris in your comments. Excellent points! I guess the only detail I’d pick on a little is the notion that all gatherings of believers were governed by elders (i.e. ordained with such). I actually think this idea has been stretched too far (not by you… just in general). Paul specifically instructed Timothy to recognize elders in every city in Crete, one of the largest islands in the Mediterranean. I see no indication that he gave a command to “ordain elders” in every city on earth where saints of God may gather. Nor did Paul say to ordain elders in every church (i.e. assembly/congregation). This, it seems to me, is also an important detail. Crete was comprised of four major cities and it seems that Paul, only here, gives this instruction for these cities. I think early Christian life and community was VERY different from today. We don’t normally think of Christian elders within a city, yet this is what Paul specifically referred to here.

      The Church (singular) is a most significant point that I often make… When we understand that the apostles references to “the Church” means all the believers in a local, then it presents a very different picture of things. This is why we see Paul make references like “the Church which meets in the home of…” This is not a “house church”, rather this is simply a reference to the believers who are gathering in one place or another. The gathering place is nothing. The Church is a SINGULAR “institution” (and by institution I simply mean that God has ordained only ONE to be in existence). There is only ONE Body of Christ, not hundreds or thousands. I think with this understanding, some of these terms in the New Testament make more sense. So, I can understand a charge to recognize trustworthy, godly men in a town that believers all through that community could look up to, but the idea of little religious groups that are “governed” by some kind of official eldership system, I just do not see this in the text and I think that to play too much with this terminology only gets us totally off track. The Lord is well able to lead His body and to raise up, organically, godly men and women to serve as watchmen among the body.

      This is a lengthy subject for discussion and I certainly don’t want to argue about it, especially since I agree with your primary point and believe (from your past comments) that you are speaking about a kind of leadership in the body of Christ that is NOT typical in most institutional church groups.

      The term “ordain elders” sounds much too official for my taste and I do not believe it exists as such in the Greek, most especially in this context. It means simply to recognize those older ones in the community that had Christ-like character and charge them to watch over the flock of God… not in some kind of “official” sense with pomp and ceremony, as though these were offices of some kind of religious government. We do not actually see the term or concept of “office” used anywhere in the New Testament with respect to godly leaders. Paul’s objective was a proper kind of unity among all the saints in the body of Christ, so elders would naturally be encouraged to work in their communities toward encouraging this kind of unity among ALL the believers to continue… This has NOTHING to do with organizing church meetings or any such thing. We are seeing Paul describe a whole body vision, not some kind of religious regulations for each kind of gathering.

      Because Paul instructs Timothy to recognize godly elders in these cities, I do not believe this is some kind of blanket command for all Christian gatherings. There are groups of believers Paul visited that apparently had no “elders” at all, nor did he command such everywhere he went, and certainly not in every gathering. If you think about it, this would make gathering all the more difficult, if not impossible, if gathering was not allowed without officially ordained elders being “appointed”. Believers can gather whenever and wherever they like and there is no command that some kind of human leadership structure must be employed to do so. I really believe this is a lie set forth by modern religionists and the devil himself. Christ is the head of His body and He tells each part how to function, so I think it’s just fine to leave this completely in His hands. I don’t think we need more sermons about “installing elders” or “pastors” or submitting to authority. If Christ is allowed to lead His body, the members will submit to one another in love and the Body will be manifested and each part will function as Christ intends.

      I believe elders would have sprung up naturally among mature believers in the community, but again, I don’t view “eldership” the same way most professional pastors do (and I’m not suggesting you view it the way most pastors do either). I am simply clarifying my perspective (if that’s even possible). It’s very hard to convey this revelation when all of us (especially in the West) have been so infected by typical organized religion and tradition. I am certainly NOT against gathering or fellowship or even elders… I am for all of those things, so long as Christ is Lord and religious legalism is left at the door!

      You’re far more eloquent that I am bro, but I really think we agree very much on this… I’m obviously venting my desire that people would stop entangling themselves in the web of religion and simply enjoy Christ and let Him lead them to a true revelation of the Body of Christ. I really don’t think this is something that can effectively be “taught”. But God will awaken the understanding of those who have ears to hear and what a beautiful thing that will be!


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